Pilot chute size and heading performance

juanitos

Re: [vid666] Pilot chute size and heading performance

What about a 32"PC at terminal jumps? The same 220 canopy but vented and tracking suit- nice openings?

wwarped

Re: [juanitos] Pilot chute size and heading performance

if you want to know how things react at terminal, think skydiving!

what size pc do you use there?
has it ever hesitated, or seemed "weak?"
have you considered swapping out a BASE pc for your normal skydiving one?

if you want to be comfortable with your decisions, would you prefer deciding on your own experiences, or an anonymous poster?

(heck, don't listen to me! )

-free with 3-

Treejumps

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juanitos

Re: [wwarped] Pilot chute size and heading performance

I can not skydive with my Base canopy ..is too large for my skydiving rig!
My skydiving canopy is 150 feet...so it is no use to compare how reacts the same PC for the 2 canopies...
I hope somebody knows from his own experience how works this atair sail slider in Base...

I have tracking gear...so I'' track far from the wall..

Frijol_Saltando

Re: [juanitos] Pilot chute size and heading performance

juanitos wrote: I hope somebody knows from his own experience how works this atair sail slider in Base...

I would feel very uncomfortable with a sal slider on a BASE canopy. It's job is to catch air which, in turn will lengthen the snivel which will then allow more time for the possibility of an off heading/ line twist.

I will always use a mesh slider in the BASEment.
A. I like to pull a little low and,
B. if you ARE in a pinch and need that fucker to open NOW and on heading, a sail slider ain't gonna help.

My .02

"…if you ever have to jump from your ego to your IQ please pack slider-up." -BASE863

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juanitos

Re: [Frijol_Saltando] Pilot chute size and heading performance

Thanks for your kind advice..
Then, I'll switch to my small mesh slider..

wwarped

Re: [juanitos] Pilot chute size and heading performance

juanitos wrote: I can not skydive with my Base canopy ..is too large for my skydiving rig!

so?
I thought you were concerned about the effectiveness of pc's... no need to switch canopies, just pc's! see how the different sizes affect the speed of deployment.

you can also look at the size of pc used on the giant student rigs. (you don't think your dzo would like hesi's on student gear, do you?)

it's not that complicated, unless you don't trust your judgement!

-free with 3-

debaucherordrgz

Re: [Treejumps] Pilot chute size and heading performance

My track and delay are manly enough thank you. If I wanted to start a dick measuring contest that's what I would have named the thread.

As far as 180s go, I don't care for them regardless of altitude. I prefer on heading openings but thats just me.

As far as being stable at pc pitch your right... my strategy is to get as unstable as possible and pitch in a hard spin. That seems to work best.

Thanks all for the input.
@ Vid666- thanks that makes sense about the larger pc's desturbing the packjobs more at higher airspeeds

Frijol_Saltando

Re: [debaucherordrgz] Dick Measuring Contest

debaucherordrgz wrote: If I wanted to start a dick measuring contest that's what I would have named the thread.

debaucherordrgz wrote: @ Vid666- thanks that makes sense about the larger pc's desturbing the packjobs more at higher airspeeds
Yeah good point! I guess I knew it would be a faster extraction but, I didn't think about what affect it would have on you pack job. . .

"…if you ever have to jump from your ego to your IQ please pack slider-up." -BASE863

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robibird

Re: [Treejumps] Pilot chute size and heading performance

Treejumps wrote: 1. From 1500 feet who cares if you have a 180.

on every single jump, the jumper need to care a lot and observe the heading of the canopy. Why?! Self-confidence!

next step of such thinking would be: '' hey, it is high, it is skydive!''
Well, wonder why 80% of the fatalities happens on slider up jumps... maybe this is the answer?!

Robert Pecnik

blitzkrieg

Re: [debaucherordrgz] Pilot chute size and heading performance

haha, well seems to me... when you ask for opinions... you WILL get them.

and i tend to agree with Tree.

not so much dick measuring, but experience....

PeteS

Re: [debaucherordrgz] Pilot chute size and heading performance

And sometimes 180s' just happen. Part of the chaos that is base jumping. I see you have 30 jumps and 10 objects on your profile. That is more than most of the population at large. Just last night I had to take a 7 sec. delay from a terminal object so I would be able to make the landing area. I had a 32" zp small mesh av pilotchute, and 15 deg. right opening. Nuf' said?

blitzkrieg

Re: [robibird] Pilot chute size and heading performance

robibird wrote: on every single jump, the jumper need to care a lot and observe the heading of the canopy. Why?! Self-confidence!
i do agree with that statement... but in that same line of reasoning... if you don't have the confidence of on heading openings (as in the case of the OP of this thread) then maybe you'll have the insight to not jump the exit point where it will matter, at least until you sort out your problems. it's all part of progression.

debaucherordrgz

Re: [blitzkrieg] Pilot chute size and heading performance

I'm confident with my heading performance Elliot, just trying to get some knowlege on why those random off headings happen everyonce in a while. I don't buy the randomness factor that most people seem to talk about when they can't find a reason why something happens. And I do enjoy and respect the opinions of people more experienced than myself, but the idea that something technically based can be influenced by how masculine or femminine you fall through the sky seems like more of a quip than an opinion.

blitzkrieg

Re: [debaucherordrgz] Pilot chute size and heading performance

yeah, man... but this is the internet.

and in this game, shit does happen. how is it that my friends can do everything right and anal and end up bouncing off a wall and dying, all the while i jump the same exact place with my 10min shitty packjob and don't get more than a 45? i just don't know.

hundreds of jumps later... i'm not all that confident in my heading performance, but i am however, confident in my ability to deal with what is dealt.

and that is why i continue to play the game.

vid666

Re: [debaucherordrgz] Pilot chute size and heading performance

debaucherordrgz wrote: ose random off headings happen everyonce in a while. I don't buy the randomness factor that most people seem to talk about when they can't find a reason why something happens.
I think you are misunderstanding the whole "randomness factor". It referrs to the myriad of things that can cause the deviation from the perfect heading. And at many times it's nearly impossible to put your finger on which one was the cause.

just a few things that can cause offheadings :

stiff riser covers - one release before the other = one side inflates before the other = offheading and/or linetwists

asymmetrical at pull time = you will start rotating if at terminal = linetwists

asymmetrical at pull time = uneven risers at linestrech = linetwists and/or offheading

sloppy packjob = chaos at opening = who the hell knows what may happen

lines getting out of trim = asymmetrical inflation = offheading

short slider up delay = chaotic snively opening = people calling you a pussy

freefall airspeed lower than natural wind = packjob gets oriented by the wind = discussed just a day ago

tailpocket velcro biting into some lines = uneven linestretch = uneven inflation = ....

your nice and tidy packjob, which you took extra 10 mins to make sure fills out the corners of the container nice, because as you know looks are everything, especially in nightBASE = packjob catching corners of the packtray due to aggressive tracking or exiting headup like Greenmachine does = packjob destroyed before reaching linestrech

I can keep going, but you get my drift...

blitzkrieg

Re: [vid666] Pilot chute size and heading performance

thanks Paul... that was a nice list! haha.

PeteS

Re: [debaucherordrgz] Pilot chute size and heading performance

[ I don't buy the randomness factor that most people seem to talk about when they can't find a reason why something happens. ]

Come on, you throw a "ball of nylon" off your back at 100 mph and expect it to do the same thing, everytime?

debaucherordrgz

Re: [blitzkrieg] Pilot chute size and heading performance

@ Blitzkrieg... good point
@ Vid666 that is a good list....lol... especially the part about the head up exit.

GreenMachine

Redheaded Step Child

especially the part about the head up exit

Out of my 176 BASE jumps there are
some where I do actually exit well.

And for low, go & throw jumps going
off head high works just fine for me.

Maybe I need to post some videos
that don't show me screwing up

Day BASE 1366
Night BASE 293