How dangerous is a wingsuit?

MBA-PATTO

Re: [434] How dangerous is a wingsuit?

Using science for base jumping it sounds familiar like Geo a few years back in sth Africa..

That did not end well

I have met Rich and he is a very intelligent all round jumper (unlike myself ) but still there is very little reward for this much risk..

what was it a 15 sec wingsuit flight?

I guess everyone has there own measure of risk/reward and my own thoughts are this is waaay too much..

But all the best for there future jumping ..

http://www.blincmagazine.com/...=Fatality_Statistics
http://www.blincmagazine.com/...e=BASE_Fatality_List

wasatchrider

Re: [MBA-PATTO] How dangerous is a wingsuit?

maybe around there but he has also opened up an almost 1 min flight in the slc area

BASE 1519

MBA-PATTO

Re: [wasatchrider] How dangerous is a wingsuit?

The problem is your gonna get people who don't have the dedication or skill wanting to do this jump in the future.

Whats the name of the exit ? anyone I did not really watch the whole thing , as soon as I heard top gun I cringed and watched on and off ..

http://www.blincmagazine.com/...=Fatality_Statistics
http://www.blincmagazine.com/...e=BASE_Fatality_List

B52

Re: [wasatchrider] How dangerous is a wingsuit?

The exit, flight and pull are more complex in a wingsuit.

If you have a bad wingsuit exit, like in this video, the suit could potentially fly you in the wall. Over rotating slick, not such a big deal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-Ee_VMPwXc

The chance of getting line twists in a wingsuit are higher (burble, AOA,..)
Dealing with the mal is more difficult as you have less freedom of movement and it could potentially take longer to deal with it due to unzipping the arm wings or RAD.

cavitator

Re: [B52] How dangerous is a wingsuit?

B52 wrote: The exit, flight and pull are more complex in a wingsuit.

If you have a bad wingsuit exit, like in this video, the suit could potentially fly you in the wall. Over rotating slick, not such a big deal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-Ee_VMPwXc

The chance of getting line twists in a wingsuit are higher (burble, AOA,..)
Dealing with the mal is more difficult as you have less freedom of movement and it could potentially take longer to deal with it due to unzipping the arm wings or RAD.
did some wuffo steal your password and make this post?

434

Re: [hjumper33] How dangerous is a wingsuit?

You have to admit you have to commit when you do such jumps. You have to be willing to roll the dice, put the bullit in the chamber, and pull off.

That is the game some base jumpers do all the time, and that is the game most do once and awile. Some very few do it only once, and shocking to most, the last time.

It is a brutal sport, but I still say it can be done safe.

Gravity never fails!

hjumper33

Re: [434] How dangerous is a wingsuit?

434 wrote: It is a brutal sport, but I still say it can be done safe.
This is what I keep coming back to as the real question, and ive heard this said before by a lot of friends who are dead now. When I first started jumping, I brushed off what experienced jumpers told me when I was pushing the limits, and now others do when I try to do the exact same thing. I think its the nature of the sport and the nature of the people in it that we will always have that desire to push the envelope, and no matter what people try to tell you, experience is the best teacher.

MBA-PATTO

Re: [hjumper33] How dangerous is a wingsuit?

Not Many experienced guys around anymore.

http://www.blincmagazine.com/...=Fatality_Statistics
http://www.blincmagazine.com/...e=BASE_Fatality_List

MrHey

Re: [hjumper33] How dangerous is a wingsuit?

It could depend on how you define dangerous.

Wingsuit jumps clearly result in more fatalities per jump

But perhaps traditional jumps result in a lot more survivable serious injuries per jump than wingsuit jumps do.
(Broken bones etc)

I'm not saying the above is true, I don't know the statistics.
But dangerous does not always have to just mean fatally so.

robibird

Re: [MBA-PATTO] How dangerous is a wingsuit?

BASE in recent years just following the trend we can see in skydiving . 30 or 40 years ago skydiving was almost like cult and to become a skydiver one had to be almost superman , Rambo if not Chuck Norris... training was long and boring process, progression was slow and under way more expertise control .
Now any one can get in to Otter and within 3 days start jumping solo.. to whom to blame? Marketing, industry, trend...
In BASE we are facing the same trend.....
BASE schools are growing up every where . Those who getting in to BASE coming with believe that BASE is safe and simple, just like skydiving is.
General level of knowledge in BASE and skydiving is lower than it was 30 or 20 years ago while progression program ( from student to expert ) is squeezed in to 40-50 jumps.
People rushing to become ''good'' in wingsuiting ( which many actually achieve as well, proving that WS flying is actually quite easy)
Very easy is to blame the You Tube or FB but that is quite shallow view.
Today wuffo who want to BASE jump need 5 min to find instructor who is WILLING to take him.
Before that was the first and very solid barrier for wannabe BASE jumpers , which worked as filter to prevention fatalities as well.
That is gone now.
After all, more jumpers = more fatalities
A lot more fatalities = mass population will put less attention to it
Less attention = quicker acceptance of the general population and media
quicker acceptance of the population and media = less restrictions

Quite twisted but in general works for BASE society...

Robert Pecnik

MBA-PATTO

Re: [robibird] How dangerous is a wingsuit?

Refering to that robi bird :)

I kinda laugh now because every few weeks someone else is opening up a tracking school and there full of paying people with low Base experience and Low skydiving experience.

If you want to be a better tracker go back to skydiving do 100 jumps on your tracking suit come back to the base arena and let me know how you go...

Everyone wants to be awesome straight away...

I am waiting for an Athlete Tracking page to come out next....

See ya this year robi i will be running around southern Europe in Tracking/wingsuit gear ... Away from the crowds

http://www.blincmagazine.com/...=Fatality_Statistics
http://www.blincmagazine.com/...e=BASE_Fatality_List

Hajo

Re: [hjumper33] How dangerous is a wingsuit?

hjumper33 wrote: ... no matter what people try to tell you, experience is the best teacher.
"good judgement comes from experience, experience comes from bad judgement .."

you have to make your own experiences, because it is hard to transfer your experiences to another person ...(primary/secondary experiences ..)
but that´s a different story.

again what is said before:
of course you can (try) to do it safe.
jump only WS you are familiar with and had proper training.
jump only huge overhung walls and fly straight away into the great white open.
pull high enough and pull in a proper way.
keep your gear and your body well maintained.
don´t drink and fly, jump only with perfect weather conditions, and so on..
and again, that is no guarantee to not fuck up for any reason.
maybe the reaper decides to put a knot in your pc on a "perfect" flight just because he has to do his job, you´re screwed...

With sufficient thrust, pigs just fly fine ...

robibird

Re: [MBA-PATTO] How dangerous is a wingsuit?

Pattto
You may travel south all the way to Syria but I will do all possible to avoid such low skill jumper as you are.

Good tracker does not come from 100 skydives doing tracking. It comes once the variometer has been grown up in jumper ass after certain amount of jumps of all kind..

... but what the hell i know anyway

dying for the progress - it is so cool phrase for 2016. year of BASE

Robert Pecnik

robibird

Re: [Hajo] How dangerous is a wingsuit?

Hajo wrote: hjumper33 wrote: ... no matter what people try to tell you, experience is the best teacher.
"good judgement comes from experience, experience comes from bad judgement .."

you have to make your own experiences, because it is hard to transfer your experiences to another person ...(primary/secondary experiences ..)
but that´s a different story.

again what is said before:
of course you can (try) to do it safe.
jump only WS you are familiar with and had proper training.
jump only huge overhung walls and fly straight away into the great white open.
pull high enough and pull in a proper way.
keep your gear and your body well maintained.
don´t drink and fly, jump only with perfect weather conditions, and so on..
and again, that is no guarantee to not fuck up for any reason.
maybe the reaper decides to put a knot in your pc on a "perfect" flight just because he has to do his job, you´re screwed...
I like germans - they are so positive and open minded ready for improvisation :P

Robert Pecnik

GreenMachine

Re: Experience, Tracking, Risk

I completely agree that the majority of students wanting
to learn BASE jumping these days have less experience.

The cheapest/safest way to get good in your track suit
is to practice tracking out of a cessna from low altitude
then take suit to a tall antenna, and finally a big wall.

Leading cause of death in SKY jumping: Swooping
Leading cause of death in BASE jumping: Wingsuits

I love statistics and could run some numbers... but
this is where we would all argue over the details.

Lastly, I had to look up: Variometer
see attached jpeg for definition.

Day BASE 1366
Night BASE 293

Hajo

Re: [robibird] How dangerous is a wingsuit?

robibird wrote: I like germans - they are so positive and open minded ready for improvisation :P
this is why we put all information in manuals and guidelines ..
to be ready for improvisation ...

With sufficient thrust, pigs just fly fine ...

Fledgling

Re: [434] How dangerous is a wingsuit?

434 wrote: You have to be willing to roll the dice, put the bullit in the chamber, and pull off.
That sounds like something Dwayne would have said :-)

Fledgling

Re: [MBA-PATTO] How dangerous is a wingsuit?

MBA-PATTO wrote: If you want to be a better tracker go back to skydiving do 100 jumps on your tracking suit You know tracking is not that easy. And that is why they put on their wingsuits :-)

434

Re: [Fledgling] How dangerous is a wingsuit?

Yes, and he got it on tape!

I think most have made up their mind before they started to jump.

1. You will have friends who die
2. You might die yourselves, or getting badly hurt.
3. You can make up your mind, get the best information, the best mentor, and do your job before you start to be the best of yourselves.
4. Always use the right tool for the job, and know your tools.
5. ? It is up to you

Gravity never fails!

robibird

Re: [Fledgling] How dangerous is a wingsuit?

''You have to be willing to roll the dice, put the bullet in the chamber, and pull off.''

Exaggerated a lot!
BASE is the safest sport activity - if we need to ensure legal excess to the site . This is what we say to authorities ;)
BASE is the most rad, epic dangerous sport on earth and milky way - this is what we say in the Horner bar after few round of beer.
Get the point....

Robert Pecnik

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