Best all round rig for everything

TheGrasshopper

G'day all,

Don't know if this is the right section but here goes...

It's time to buy my first rig, been skydiving since 09 and jumping heaps (I am fucking addicted...), but I am getting mixed responses about rigs so I thought I would bring this to the B.A.S.E. community for some further insite on this.

What is a good all round setup for everything from low Aussie stuff with tight landings to terminal tracking/ws etc and open field landings?

I have been looking at the summit with a Flik for quite some time, but Aussie mates have DP's/flik/osp/Rock dragon/fox, Zak/osp, TLS/Flik lite, gargoyle/troll, hybrid/osp etc...

I have also heard that some containers suit certain canopies better than others. Ie better on heading openings with a certain setup but shit headings with a different canopy/rig setup. I know some of this would come down to packing styles and body positions etc but keen to hear some rigs that have been reliable with certain canopy setups (if that makes sense?)

What are the summit containers like with a Flik/fox/osp etc? (First hand experience please) or what else can you recommend as a good setup for all round.

Things I want in the container are;

- 3 rings definately (for those moments... You know them...
- Not really fussed about articulation (squeaky, more weight, but can be easier to climb A's etc for instance)
- I would prefer a through loop system but I also want loops on the flaps for the low shit. How many people are using, say DP's, with terminal tracking/ws flights without fail? I know this would also come down to loop length etc...)
- I know the gargoyle's are a heavy rig due to the heavy cordura used, bomb proof yes, but the extra weight with terminal tracking come into mind.
- Vents. How many for an all rounder to start off with?
- single point bridle attachment, definitely, keep it simple stupid...
- etc...

Basically, what container/canopy setups have the best results? I know all containers are built to be safe/reliable but there has been a quite few threads regarding off headings due to container/canopy selection has come up in all of them regarding this. Keen to go a bit deeper on what has been working best for peoples in regards to different setups or if it just comes down to packing techniques.

Cheers for you insite first hand information on this.

Stay safe enough but have fun!

Blue skies

iambase

Re: [TheGrasshopper] Best all round rig for everything

Hybrid 2 and OSP light.

blitzkrieg

Re: [TheGrasshopper] Best all round rig for everything

if you can only have one rig, i would just pick the one that you think looks the sexiest or what name you like the best. there isn't a canopy or container you listed, in any combination that i wouldn't jump.

i've also never heard of any particular canopy working better or worse based on the container it's in.

jools

Re: [iambase] Best all round rig for everything

I have an OSP lite but would not buy another for the type of jumping I do.

I love the OSP but for more more rugged jumping, ie. not the valley with big grass LZ they don't wear so well.
Roads and rocks scuff them and they tear/damage easily.

I would however recommend a standard OSP, for urban and SD jumping, over any other canopy I have jumped.

I don't jump SU so cannot comment on their suitability.

Laters,

Jools

"It's funny when they don't die"

BEAST #1. Building, Earth, Antenna, Span, Telescope.

jws3

Re: [TheGrasshopper] Best all round rig for everything

I've tried a few containers and the Summit is my favorite. The Helium is also nice but it's a little heavier and Morpheus doesn't have as good of customer service as Apex. On both rigs, you can set it up with or without the top through loop. The pin cover flap on the Helium seems more secure, but if you tighten down the top through loop for terminal jumps on the Summit, it's fine. The Summit is also just comfortable to wear. The Helium might be better for a bombproof tank-rig but the Summit is still pretty tough. However, anything with two pins will work for any type of jump you'll ever want to do.

The canopy decision can be made independently of the container decision. There's nothing you can do with a Troll packed into a Summit that you couldn't do with the same Troll packed into a Helium.

BASE 1604

DeerBone

Re: [TheGrasshopper] Best all round rig for everything

The more people you ask this question too, the more answers you'll get. I dont think you will find a magical combo that's the perfect tool for every job, your best bet is probably just asking your mentor what he's jumping on the local objects your going to be jumping all the time and going from there.

"I had to sell that car, running lights couldn't be shut off"

wasatchrider

Re: [TheGrasshopper] Best all round rig for everything

blackjack and whatever container you want to put it in that has two little curved metal doohickies that keep it closed.
I use a one of those heavy gargoyle things, but that's probably why I cant fly to Lisa's house from low U.

BASE 1519

TomAiello

Re: [TheGrasshopper] Best all round rig for everything

I'd recommend jumping a bunch of different systems before making your decision.

Basing your decision on your own real world experience will always beat listening to random voices on the internet.

What's your present experience level and what have you jumped so far?

Tom Aiello

Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com
Snake River BASE Academy

OuttaBounZ

Re: [TheGrasshopper] Best all round rig for everything

TheGrasshopper wrote: G'day all,

Don't know if this is the right section but here goes...

It's time to buy my first rig, been skydiving since 09 and jumping heaps (I am fucking addicted...), but I am getting mixed responses about rigs so I thought I would bring this to the B.A.S.E. community for some further insite on this.

What is a good all round setup for everything from low Aussie stuff with tight landings to terminal tracking/ws etc and open field landings?

I have been looking at the summit with a Flik for quite some time, but Aussie mates have DP's/flik/osp/Rock dragon/fox, Zak/osp, TLS/Flik lite, gargoyle/troll, hybrid/osp etc...

I have also heard that some containers suit certain canopies better than others. Ie better on heading openings with a certain setup but shit headings with a different canopy/rig setup. I know some of this would come down to packing styles and body positions etc but keen to hear some rigs that have been reliable with certain canopy setups (if that makes sense?)

What are the summit containers like with a Flik/fox/osp etc? (First hand experience please) or what else can you recommend as a good setup for all round.

Things I want in the container are;

- 3 rings definately (for those moments... You know them...
- Not really fussed about articulation (squeaky, more weight, but can be easier to climb A's etc for instance)
- I would prefer a through loop system but I also want loops on the flaps for the low shit. How many people are using, say DP's, with terminal tracking/ws flights without fail? I know this would also come down to loop length etc...)
- I know the gargoyle's are a heavy rig due to the heavy cordura used, bomb proof yes, but the extra weight with terminal tracking come into mind.
- Vents. How many for an all rounder to start off with?
- single point bridle attachment, definitely, keep it simple stupid...
- etc...

Basically, what container/canopy setups have the best results? I know all containers are built to be safe/reliable but there has been a quite few threads regarding off headings due to container/canopy selection has come up in all of them regarding this. Keen to go a bit deeper on what has been working best for peoples in regards to different setups or if it just comes down to packing techniques.

Cheers for you insite first hand information on this.

Stay safe enough but have fun!

Blue skies
Cruiselite 220 probably. Rare find but if you can find one it will probably come with an athlete page and a Tshirt sponsor.

Soup
Immaturity is a great quality.
"I can stick uphill ice." Ski In Peace, Shane!

surfers98

Re: [TheGrasshopper] Best all round rig for everything

Summit/FLiK is a good combo. If you're doing a lot of s/u, go ultralite. I use the top through-loop for terminal and the DP configuration for low stuff. Apex's customer service is great.

I think know brand loyalty has a lot to do with where you're located. In other words, some of my loyalty to Apex is because they're close by. I can always stop by their factory, which is really helpful.

Fundamentally, fly as many canopies as you can to discern the subtle differences. Containers are all pretty well made these days; just make sure it fits well, because if it doesn't you'll get cracked.

SLAMBO

Re: [TheGrasshopper] Best all round rig for everything

Perigee Pro from Asylum. And a canopy!

base704

Re: [OuttaBounZ] Best all round rig for everything

OuttaBounZ wrote: TheGrasshopper wrote: Cruiselite 220 probably. Rare find but if you can find one it will probably come with an athlete page and a Tshirt sponsor.
Hmm...
Cruiselite 220.
Very rare canopy, indeed.
But...
It just so happens that I have a very nice, lightly used specimen. Low jump count (primarily slider-up Bridge Day use) Reinforced bridle attach point. Custom tail pocket. Custom DBS.
Not only is this canopy in fantastic shape (all things considered), but it is also brightly coloured and patterned after the classic 80's era "fag flag"!
A true gem indeed...
I had not given any thought to the idea of selling this beauty, but if the interest was there (and who wouldn't want to own this classic example of F-111 awesomeness?), I may entertain some offers. Although due to the obvious overwhelming frenzy that is sure to follow this posting, I may have to resort to an online "auction" of sorts.
Please pm me with your offers, which I will have to limit to one (1) offer in a twenty four (24) hour period from all interested parties.
Thank you all, in advance for your civility in this rare opportunity.

-704

p.s.
The athlete page and tv sponsor is something that will be considered on a case by case basis, and will have to be discussed with the canopy's future owner.

hjumper33

Re: [TheGrasshopper] Best all round rig for everything

Raven I, wonderhog, 4ft bridle, 52 inch pilot chute. I recommend doing 8 second handheld jumps. Worked for our forefathers.

This is like asking people which car is the best. probably the one theyre driving, thats why they bought it. I recommend getting the gear that many people have around you, or from a manufacterer that is close by. That way when you have questions, you dont have to rely on retards on this site.

TheGrasshopper

Re: [hjumper33] Best all round rig for everything

Firstly, thanks for all the responses! I see how it is like the old question who thinks what the best "car" is...

What I mean with the off heading posts regarding canopy and container shit are threads like this;

http://www.basejumper.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2978971;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;forum_view=forum_view_collapsed;;page=unread#unread

But the ain thread that has me thinking about this topic of certain containers that better suit certain canopies is this one...

http://www.basejumper.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2874275;search_string=What%20container;#2874275

I know there is a lot of bullshit posted on these forums but there is also a wealth of knowledge within the crews on here so the more questions asked (retarded or not ) the better chance of filtering out the bullshit (I hope... But what the fuck is hope really ha ha ha!).

I am really drooling over a Summit container but I am really tossing up (yep, I sit at my computer/iPad (and even my iPhone whilst having a shit in a public toilet, it's that bad.. I know) wanking hard over containers and canopies... Masturbation is great but the time for wanking over this shit is at an end and it's time to make a purchase so I can run around the house nude then stand in front of a mirror wanking over my nice new rig that I will then be wearing trying my hardest not to cum all over it... My doctor says its normal so that's enough for me ) between a vented standard Flik or standard OSP...

I know what the pioneers in this sport did and it's fucking hardcore to say the least, but as the sport has evolved it has also become safer as new technologies arise/invented. With the information I have been shown, read and heard so far, on here, around the camp fire and at the base of objects ground crewing etc... The technology has evolved a shitload from when I started jumping (skydiving)...

So.... Who is jumping a Summit with a vented OSP? I am pretty set on getting a vented 265 OSP or 266 Flik loading at ~0.70 (+0.04 for shin pads, knee pads & 20 x GoPros ( ha ha ha! Nah just one or two GoPros for now...)

Local mates are having good times with DP's loaded with vented flik's/Rock dragon/fox, and another mate just got a DP with a vented OSP but hasn't jumped it yet. I am keen to see or here how that handles...

The summit is just a DP with an extra single top through loop isn't it? No local mates have summits... yet...

Living in Australia, there isn't any company's close by so anything is going to take ages in regards of repairs etc. but riggers can always help out where ever possible...

I am planning a skydiving/B.A.S.E. trip next year starting off in the states, then to Europes alps, then (funds permitting after months of rice and 2 minute noodles) to Norway... So I am wanting to get my gear ordered so it's ready before the trip begins in April...

Cheers for the insite/info regarding these options! As much as it is random dribble over an internet forum that may or may not have any factual evidence in regards to truth or anything, but filtering out the bullshit is a part of life but first hand knowledge can help a little.

Nil winds

MBA-PATTO

Re: [TheGrasshopper] Best all round rig for everything

I have a summit with a 242 flik ultra lite vented , done about 150-200 jumps on this container with 70 percent tracking terminal jumps and 30 percent wingsuit jumps..

Cant complain with it as it does everything I always wanted in a container and canopy..

You sound like you already know what ya want go get it

I have also owned a hybrid with trango and a gargoyle wsx with troll

and have jumped a few Dp's from apex

It all comes down to want you like mate....

Every jumper will talk there shit up as the best its only natural base jumpers are simple folk..

Look at our punctuation and writing :)

check attachment

http://www.blincmagazine.com/...=Fatality_Statistics
http://www.blincmagazine.com/...e=BASE_Fatality_List

TheGrasshopper

Re: [MBA-PATTO] Best all round rig for everything

Too shay Patto! Yeah I am set on the summit for the container!

The main question is Flik or OSP? Ie does container/canopy selection make any difference given those threads above in regards to off headings with different shit?

Is anyone jumping one (or DP for that matter) with an OSP? Ie Apex*/vented OSP? Any videos jumping this/these setup/s?

PS... By "check attachment" you mean the statistics, BFL, ABA and Kjerag? I study them regularly...

Fly safe people!

MBA-PATTO

Re: [TheGrasshopper] Best all round rig for everything

check attachment (the picture I uploaded for you ) to show terminal tracking with the summit.. I have only a few low jumps on this setup maybe 10 all up..

I think you will be extremely pleased with the summit it has all the bells and whistles mate..

The question you need to ask is if your doing the majority of your jumps in the mountains?( blue ones ) or you are hitting terminal objects and overseas jumps mainly...

If its mainly Aussie then you should go with what the majority are doing in oz these days....

But at the end of the day your the one jumping it mate.. If you become proficient at your canopy skills you should have no issues whatsoever..

everyone is different and they perceive things differently hopefully by now you have your canopy skills and understanding of control already in the bag from your years in skydiving :)

http://www.blincmagazine.com/...=Fatality_Statistics
http://www.blincmagazine.com/...e=BASE_Fatality_List

GreenMachine

Gear Opinions

What you seek is here:

http://www.basejumper.com/gear/

Review here for any new vocabulary:

http://www.blincmagazine.com/...i/BASE_Wiki:Canopies

PS: Gargoyle + Troll MDV F111

Day BASE 1366
Night BASE 293

TheGrasshopper

Re: [GreenMachine] Gear Opinions

Awesome info peoples! Merry Xmas too by the way!

Patto: Ah! I see the attachment now! Nice!

Like I said earlier, all the Aussie's I know all jump different gear/setups. But everyone are saying for Aussie base, get a vented OSP.

I am planning a world skydiving/BASE trip (States, Europe (alps etc), Norway) for next year (2015), so I'll be starting off with "the bridge" (slider off stuff) in the beginning, then moving to terminal stuff in Europe/Norway before coming back home to Australia. Not overly keen (at the moment) to do the stupid low stuff here, but when I gain more XP, things will change I am sure.

How do the OSP's go for terminal stuff (aka terminal tracking etc) and getting to a long spot LA if/when needed?

I have also emailed Apex regarding rig weights without canopies to help work out WL as I am 80-85kg depending on the time of year (I'll be 85kg after Xmas due to extreme beer consumption ) but when I get back into training and normal life I'll be back down to 80kg clothed.

I'm sure all canopies will be fine, especially after being super current during and after the big trip it wouldn't matter that much, but I am still tossing up between the vented OSP, vented Flik with HTS and the vented Troll with ZP nose. Still deciding on vents, either 3 or 5. How "cracky" are they with 5 vents from terminal with a slow slider (ie fine mesh)? How many vents are people here got for their all round rigs?

My main mentor has only done the states and Aussie stuff, no big wall terminal stuff.

Either way, I will be current as fuck under canopy from skydiving heaps in the states for the first month of the trip and will doing multiple balloon, chopper jumps as well. If the OSP isn't too cracky from terminal with a fine mesh slider and can get a decent horizontal flight on rears or braked, I'll go with that... But that's the main question now I guess...

Churs

hjumper33

Re: [TheGrasshopper] Gear Opinions

FYI, no such thing as a non-vented OSP. My recommendation for you being an aussie is just dont ultralight gear and get a vented canopy. No ultralight gear because your odds of landing in a tree at some point are fairly high, no because youre aussie, but because thats what happens in LZs in oz. Youll be able to jump a flik/osp/blackjack just fine on any of your jumps, as many people before you have there, and many will after. The only thing I like comparing something like an OSP to a blackjack is that the blackjack seems to glide a bit better, but not an issue on most jumps. As long as you dont have them put all the vents on one side of the canopy, ill bet you your heading performance will be just find whatever you get. Sometimes canopies with lots of vents can hurt a bit more at terminal. Plenty of people jump them, but some have rather quick openings from time to time.