LD2 and StrongLite

B52

Looking at both of them. I am leaning towards the LD2 as it's been in the field longer. Would like to hear your thoughts.

TomAiello

Re: [B52] LD2 and StrongLite

I have been very impressed with the Stronglite. It's definitely purpose built--I wouldn't want one for anything where I had to get gear off and get away. But for it's intended purpose (light, long hikes, tracking, wing suit flight) I don't think I've seen a better container.

The 3 week delivery time is pretty impressive, too.

Tom Aiello

Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com
Snake River BASE Academy

Lau

Re: [B52] LD2 and StrongLite

Both good containers. I'm biased but this is why I would chose the Ibex: The boc and its position is a better design, its lighter, more comfortable, longer for more natural pull, fast delivery, and cheaper. Additionally, I personally saw a Stronglite fall from a heli with a 200+ kg load to slider down opening and I'm happy to recommend it to the fattest jumper out there.

Laurent Frat

B52

Re: [Lau] LD2 and StrongLite

Do you know if it was with Spectra or Dacron lines?

wrespess

Re: [TomAiello] LD2 and StrongLite

Tom,

What about it isn't conducive to speedy getaways? Also, do you see any issue with using it for the occasional slider down as well?

~will

Dr.Opzone

Re: [wrespess] LD2 and StrongLite

IMO only issue with it for slider down is the cut in laterals and the fact that the container is extended below the laterals to create the low BOC is a definite snag hazard for any non belly to earth deployments, or handheld routing. But it does have the line release mod on the risers if I recall correctly.

Directly from squirrel's website:

*Please note that the STRONGLITE is not suited to aerials or any application where there is the increased possibility of unstable deployments and a bridle/container entanglement. This is a wingsuit-specific container system.

wrespess

Re: [Dr.Opzone] LD2 and StrongLite

Is the extended container length on the strong-light and cut in laterals equal to the LD2 long version or do you feel the strong-light creates a larger snag hazard for non belly to earth deployments?

Dr.Opzone

Re: [wrespess] LD2 and StrongLite

I haven't seen an LD2 long so I couldn't say.

wrespess

Re: [Dr.Opzone] LD2 and StrongLite

It appears to be less but would be nice to get the opinion of someone looking at them side by side.

Lau

Re: [B52] LD2 and StrongLite

Spectra

Laurent Frat

HWalter

Re: [B52] LD2 and StrongLite

I made the first jump on a Stronglite/Ibex250 System today, so not much experience there.
I only jumped the first gen. Hybrid, so that experience is out dated.

The harness is minimalistic, but very comfortable. Only one option is available. The leg straps are continuous, so in case of an injury you have to cut them. You can use the harness for slider down jumps, I don’t think that is possible with the LD2 except the Finnish way.

My StrongLite fits me like a glove, I don't need adjustments on the leg straps.
According to my scales the harness is around 1400 gr, compared to 2200 gr for an Apex TLs (sized for a OSP265).
Craftsmanship looks excellent, the whole rig has a very nice touch to it (ansprechende Haptik, don’t know how to say that in English).
My container would also fit a Troll265 UL without problems.

The IBEX250 opened soft and on heading.
Landing the IBEX250 with 83kg naked, on a LZ at 2000m was absolutely no problem, I had the impression of flying a larger canopy – I normally jump Atair 265s.
I also jump a Feather 240, the openings of the Feather are much harder and the Feather 240 is also much faster at a 2000 m LZ.
I opted for the 400/525 line mix after talking to Matt, as they should give a softer opening - I will monitor the lines and the openings closely. The lines are tailgate friendly.

I will be in Lb next weekend for more jumps.

CF36

Re: [B52] LD2 and StrongLite

Actually to throw a third contender in the ring... have you seen any of the ultralight rigs Nick makes at Blacksheep Rigging? I've seen a couple of them that are pretty minimalist on weight, and they look sharp.

I'm pretty sure his turn-around times are pretty damn fast too if that's a concern. And I know his rigs are good for slider up and down or any other strange configuration you can come up with...

Anyone want to post a picture of one of them for me?

Only one way to find out...

B52

Re: [HWalter] LD2 and StrongLite

Thanks for your first impressions. I would really like to hear more of your thoughts after more jumps, especially about the opening, flight characteristics, mini vents, Dacron 400/525 mix...

maretus

Re: [HWalter] LD2 and StrongLite

HWalter wrote: You can use the harness for slider down jumps, I don’t think that is possible with the LD2 except the Finnish way.
Hi Walter,

why do you think it is not possible to do SD with the LD2? The reason why I´m asking is that my "finnish way" with the LD2 is exactly the same as with any other Adrenalin container I´ve used in SD environment so no additional gimmicks or tricks required?

Markus
HSBC / SBA / FBA
www.basejump.fi / www.basejumper.ch

HWalter

Re: [maretus] LD2 and StrongLite

The LD2 I have seen, have no line release mod.
For some people - I think the majority - line release mod is mandatory for SD. Ask Mahle!
I know pretty well, that this is no obstacle for the Finns.
I wanted to make the dissenting opinion on the line release mod known with a proper reference.

Fuck the Finns

maretus

Re: [HWalter] LD2 and StrongLite

HWalter wrote: The LD2 I have seen, have no line release mod.
....

Fuck the Finns
Ah, you are absolutely correct my friend! My LD2 does not have the white loops on the risers if I remember correctly (it is packed SD currently so cannot check) so yeah, no line mod possible. But then again, I think the requirement of line mod in SD is a whole another argument. :) Like I said, I go "finnish style" on any of my rigs so no white loops required. :)

Fuck the finns indeed! :)

Markus
HSBC / SBA / FBA
www.basejump.fi / www.basejumper.ch

wrespess

Re: [HWalter] LD2 and StrongLite

Contacted Adrenaline. LRM is now standard on the LD2.

TomAiello

Re: [wrespess] LD2 and StrongLite

wrespess wrote: What about it isn't conducive to speedy getaways?
The buckles require 2 hands to adjust (tighten or loosen). Which can make things slower and/or less convenient (tightening leg straps inside an antenna, for example, or getting out of the rig in a hurry).

In reply to: Also, do you see any issue with using it for the occasional slider down as well?
If you pick the jumps well, the only issue I can see is that it's only sized for lightweight canopies.

Tom Aiello

Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com
Snake River BASE Academy

PeteS

Re: [CF36] LD2 and StrongLite

Is Nick still sewing his harness' with single throw zigzag stitching using "E" thread? Not something I would use, anywhere.

alygator

Re: [maretus] LD2 and StrongLite

I did some sd jumps between 150m to 90m with my ld2 long (without lrm) and troll light unvented, no problem at all with the harness. The only "not optimal" stuff here is more about the unvented canopy...